[CALIBK12] CALIBK12 Digest, Vol 10, Issue 46
Sarah Ford
librarian at sacheart.org
Mon Jan 28 08:28:04 PST 2008
Thanks so much. And for clarification, will one of you be there the entire
time on Sunday, or just a block of that time. Just trying to get the
schedule done, Thanks! -Sarah
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> 1. San Joaquin Valley TL Ning- please join (Liz Dodds)
> 2. [CSLA Research Update] Open Source report (Lesley Farmer)
> 3. GEN RE: fines policy in your library (Owens, Shaunterria)
> 4. Re: TECH: copier stuck on 2 copies (Sandy Patton)
> 5. HUMOR A Romance For Classifiers only. (Owens, Shaunterria)
> 6. Colibri Book Covers (Shannon Ng)
> 7. Re: GEN RE: fines policy in your library (Blanche Woolls)
> 8. Re: GEN RE: fines policy in your library (Ron Black)
> 9. Re: GEN RE: fines policy in your library (LadySnFlwr at aol.com)
> 10. Re: GEN RE: fines policy in your library (Marilyn Frenz)
> 11. Re: library discipline (Minerva Samayoa)
> 12. Re: GEN RE: fines policy in your library (Blanche Woolls)
> 13. Re: GEN RE: fines policy in your library (Cathy Rettberg)
> 14. Re: GEN RE: fines policy in your library (kjhein at comcast.net)
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> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:37:45 -0800
> From: "Liz Dodds" <liz.dodds at gmail.com>
> Subject: [CALIBK12] San Joaquin Valley TL Ning- please join
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> We would love to have San Joaquin Valley Teacher Librarians join our Ning
> group. Join Joyce Valenza's "teacherlibrarian.ning.com" and look for the
> San
> Joaquin Valley Teacher Librarian Network Group. We will be meeting in
> person
> every other month and all are welcome to come. We will also be posting our
> discussions. See the Ning Group for details.
>
> --
> Liz Dodds
> Teacher Librarian, Bullard High School
> 559.451.4405
> liz.dodds at gmail.com
> Fresno, California
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> From: Lesley Farmer <lfarmer at csulb.edu>
> Subject: [CALIBK12] [CSLA Research Update] Open Source report
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> School spending on open-source software to riseSchools and universities
> worldwide will spend $489.9 million on open-source software and related
> services by 2012 versus the current $286.2 million, according to a new
> report from market researcher Datamonitor. Educators' interest in
> customizing software to suit their own needs is growing more quickly
> than expected.Datamonitor. (2008). Unlikely bedfellows - open source
> initiatives and commercial vendors in the education market. New York:
> Datamonitor.http://www.datamonitor.com/industries/research/?pid=DMTC2150&type=Report(note
> cost of report...)
>
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> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:54:36 -0800
> From: "Owens, Shaunterria" <Shaunterria.Owens at sbcusd.k12.ca.us>
> Subject: [CALIBK12] GEN RE: fines policy in your library
> To: "Blanche Woolls" <bwoolls at slis.sjsu.edu>, "Ron Black"
> <rblack at eusd4kids.org>
> Cc: calibk12 at lists.sjsu.edu
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> I have to say I disagree. One of our jobs is to teach children about
> responsibility and how to navigate the "real" world. In the real world, if
> someone damaged someone else's property or worse, stole someone else's
> property, there would be consequences. If kids are allowed to damage or
> keep books, what leverage do we have to get them to return the books? A
> stern talking to?
>
> Shaunterria Owens
> Library Assistant, Del Rosa Elementary
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: calibk12-bounces at lists.sjsu.edu on behalf of Blanche Woolls
> Sent: Fri 1/25/2008 11:45 AM
> To: Ron Black
> Cc: calibk12 at lists.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [CALIBK12] fines policy in your library
>
> Hello Ron,
>
> If you stop and think about it, fines are the number one worst possible
> public relations activity that any school librarian can initiate. Please
> stop charging fines. If it does anything at all, it allows students to
> think that they can keep books indefinitely because they are "renting"
> them.
>
> The library belongs to the students, not to the librarian. They are
> checking out their books and they need to be taught the responsibility of
> using their books in a responsible way. You might want to lengthen the
> length of time for checkout, although in elementary school, the books are
> seldom that long. However, if a student isn't responsible, they need to be
> reminded, but don't do it by withholding their ability to check out a
> book. To do that you are halting their ability to increase their reading
> skills and their ability to use materials for research.
>
> Truly, the best way to teach responsibility is to explain to all your
> students that this is a jointly owned part of their education and they
> must "Do unto others" which means bring books back on time. No fines.
>
> Blanche
>
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Ron Black wrote:
>
>> What's the fines policy in your district or at your school site?
>>
>> A question has come up in our K-8 district concerning students being
>> allowed
>> to continue checking out books after they've been fined for lost or
>> damaged
>> materials. Up until now, our policy has been if they owe money, they
>> can't
>> check out until they return the material in good condition or pay the
>> fine for
>> it.
>>
>> However now some have looked at the California Ed Code and interpreted
>> it
>> as reading that we cannot withhold textbooks OR library books from a
>> student even though he or she has lost one or more and made no effort
>> to pay or work off his or her fine.
>>
>> While we can understand every student needing a textbook no matter
>> what,
>> some of our library technicians are understandably alarmed that we are
>> soon
>> going to be expected to allow students to check out library books at
>> all times,
>> no matter how many books they have lost and not paid for, and never
>> having
>> to show any responsibility for damaged or lost materials.
>>
>> So, we're checking on what the policies are in other school libraries.
>> Any info you can pass on to us would be appreciated. Thanks!
>>
>> Ronald L. Black
>> rblack at eusd4kids.org
>> Central School Library
>> Escondido Union School District
>>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:58:20 -0800
> From: "Sandy Patton" <SGPatton at lbusd.k12.ca.us>
> Subject: Re: [CALIBK12] TECH: copier stuck on 2 copies
> To: "Nina Jackson" <NJackson at lbusd.k12.ca.us>, "CALIB"
> <calibk12 at listproc.sjsu.edu>, <LM_NET at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> Message-ID: <s799dd06.062 at smtp.lbusd.k12.ca.us>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> You could try downloading the newest driver for your printer from HP or
> reinstalling the driver you have. ... that would work if it is a
> software problem.
> Sandy Patton
> Lakewood HS
> Long Beach
>>>> "Nina Jackson" <NJackson at lbusd.k12.ca.us> 01/24/08 1:44 PM >>>
>
> Oh wise ones,
> This may be a long shot, but I have an HP all-in-one (Printer, copier,
> scanner, fax) that is stuck on making two copies when we use it as the
> copier. Every time I turn it back on it wants to make two copies, and
> even when I reset it for one it goes back to two eventualities anyone
> have any ideas on how to get it to stay at only one copy?
> TIA
>
>
> Nina Jackson
> Teacher Librarian
> National Board Certified
> Franklin Classical Middle School (6-8 grade)
> Long Beach, CA
> njackson at lbschools.net
> catsandbooks999 at hotmail.com
>
> In literature as in love, we are astonished at what is chosen by
> others.--Andre Maurois
>
> Books invite all; they constrain none.--Inscription at the Los Angeles
> Public Library
>
> "Wicked people never have time for reading," Dewey said. "It's one of
> the reasons for their wickedness."
> - Lemony Snicket, The Penultimate Peril (2005)
>
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> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:01:49 -0800
> From: "Owens, Shaunterria" <Shaunterria.Owens at sbcusd.k12.ca.us>
> Subject: [CALIBK12] HUMOR A Romance For Classifiers only.
> To: <calibk12 at lists.sjsu.edu>
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> Someone requested I resend this, so here it is. Have a nice weekend,
> everyone!
>
> *note: a key to the poem is below.
>
> A ROMANCE FOR CLASSIFIERS ONLY
> by Elizabeth Collom
>
> 'Twas in the merry month of June, in a dewey seven-eleven,
>
> A pretty girl sat beside the lake, idly watched the five-nine-seven.
>
> The seven-five-two of summer was a visual delight,
>
> And she became one-hundred-ninety at the beauty of the sight.
>
> But presently a nine-thirteen appeared, in style of recent date,
>
> And as he passed, you'd think his neck was made of six-seven-eight.
>
> The three-forty of attraction made him linger there at first:
>
> "Wilt have a six-six-three," he asked, "to quench thy dainty thirst?"
>
> "Or if perchance, six-forty-one is what your preference's for.
>
> I'm sure that you could get some three-hundred-thirty-four."
>
> Her scornful glance would surely wither anything alive.
>
> "I may not have three-seventy, but I know my three-nine-five.
>
> "I do not like your six-five-eight, your eight-fifteen is dirty,
>
> "Your one-seventy is questionable, you tire my hundred-thirty.
>
> "Your four-fifteen is terrible -" but the rest of it was lost;
>
> For he fell upon the five-two-five, and there gave up the ghost.
>
> The moral of this little tale is surely plain as fate -
>
> If you frequent seven-elevens, you'll end up in seven-one-eight.
>
>
> The key to the poem:
>
> 130 - Mind and body
> 170 - Ethics
> 190 - Modern philosopher
> 334 - Cooperation
> 340 - Law
> 370 - Education
> 395 - Etiquette
> 415 - Grammar
> 525 - Earth
> 597 - Fishes
> 641 - Food
> 658 - Business methods
> 663 - Beverages
> 678 - Rubber
> 711 - Public parks
> 718 - Cemeteries
> 752 - Colors
> 815 - Oratory
> 913 - Antiquities
>
> Have a wonderful weekend!
>
> Shaunterria Owens
> Library Assistant, Del Rosa Elementary
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:13:06 -0800
> From: "Shannon Ng" <shannon_ng at ycjusd.k12.ca.us>
> Subject: [CALIBK12] Colibri Book Covers
> To: <calibk12 at lists.sjsu.edu>
> Message-ID: <007a01c85f8e$b2747330$51418c0a at ycjusd.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I'm strongly considering purchasing this system but I'm concerned about
> durability. The company is relatively new in the United States and very
> new
> in California. Does anyone have any experience with the company or their
> product?
>
> Shannon Ng, MLIS
> Park View Middle School
> Yucaipa, CA
>
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> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:38:58 -0800 (PST)
> From: Blanche Woolls <bwoolls at slis.sjsu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [CALIBK12] GEN RE: fines policy in your library
> To: "Owens, Shaunterria" <Shaunterria.Owens at sbcusd.k12.ca.us>
> Cc: calibk12 at lists.sjsu.edu
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> Unfortunately you don't teach responsibility with charging fines. You
> teach people that if they are willing to pay for something, they don't
> have to be responsible. They can just pay.
>
> Does it really make you more responsible if you get a parking ticket? Do
> you really learn from this fine? Or, do you just think, "Oh, dear, that
> was a problem." What you may do is stop the child from taking materials
> from the library. It certainly doesn't make the child love the library and
> that's the biggest loss of all.
>
> The library is theirs to share with others and in the sharing they learn
> to return things so others can use them. If no one else needs it at the
> time, what is the harm.
>
> You would be better to check things out for an entire semester with the
> understanding that this longer time meant they had to return anything
> immediatly if someone else needed it, that is real responsibility.
>
> And, whatever do you do with all those pennies and nickles. Do you really
> need them? Trust me, most students remember the horrid librarian that sat
> on them and didn't let them take books because they had a fine. They will
> better remember if you teach them that the library is theirs and that has
> a responsibility, to bring back materials in a timely fashion.
>
> Blanche
>
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Owens, Shaunterria wrote:
>
>> I have to say I disagree. One of our jobs is to teach children about
>> responsibility and how to navigate the "real" world. In the real world,
>> if someone damaged someone else's property or worse, stole someone else's
>> property, there would be consequences. If kids are allowed to damage or
>> keep books, what leverage do we have to get them to return the books? A
>> stern talking to?
>>
>> Shaunterria Owens
>> Library Assistant, Del Rosa Elementary
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: calibk12-bounces at lists.sjsu.edu on behalf of Blanche Woolls
>> Sent: Fri 1/25/2008 11:45 AM
>> To: Ron Black
>> Cc: calibk12 at lists.sjsu.edu
>> Subject: Re: [CALIBK12] fines policy in your library
>>
>> Hello Ron,
>>
>> If you stop and think about it, fines are the number one worst possible
>> public relations activity that any school librarian can initiate. Please
>> stop charging fines. If it does anything at all, it allows students to
>> think that they can keep books indefinitely because they are "renting"
>> them.
>>
>> The library belongs to the students, not to the librarian. They are
>> checking out their books and they need to be taught the responsibility of
>> using their books in a responsible way. You might want to lengthen the
>> length of time for checkout, although in elementary school, the books are
>> seldom that long. However, if a student isn't responsible, they need to
>> be
>> reminded, but don't do it by withholding their ability to check out a
>> book. To do that you are halting their ability to increase their reading
>> skills and their ability to use materials for research.
>>
>> Truly, the best way to teach responsibility is to explain to all your
>> students that this is a jointly owned part of their education and they
>> must "Do unto others" which means bring books back on time. No fines.
>>
>> Blanche
>>
>> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Ron Black wrote:
>>
>>> What's the fines policy in your district or at your school site?
>>>
>>> A question has come up in our K-8 district concerning students being
>>> allowed
>>> to continue checking out books after they've been fined for lost or
>>> damaged
>>> materials. Up until now, our policy has been if they owe money, they
>>> can't
>>> check out until they return the material in good condition or pay the
>>> fine for
>>> it.
>>>
>>> However now some have looked at the California Ed Code and interpreted
>>> it
>>> as reading that we cannot withhold textbooks OR library books from a
>>> student even though he or she has lost one or more and made no effort
>>> to pay or work off his or her fine.
>>>
>>> While we can understand every student needing a textbook no matter
>>> what,
>>> some of our library technicians are understandably alarmed that we are
>>> soon
>>> going to be expected to allow students to check out library books at
>>> all times,
>>> no matter how many books they have lost and not paid for, and never
>>> having
>>> to show any responsibility for damaged or lost materials.
>>>
>>> So, we're checking on what the policies are in other school libraries.
>>> Any info you can pass on to us would be appreciated. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Ronald L. Black
>>> rblack at eusd4kids.org
>>> Central School Library
>>> Escondido Union School District
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> visit http://www.calibk12.net.
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:52:06 -0800
> From: "Ron Black" <rblack at eusd4kids.org>
> Subject: Re: [CALIBK12] GEN RE: fines policy in your library
> To: "Shaunterria Owens" <Shaunterria.Owens at sbcusd.k12.ca.us>, "Blanche
> Woolls" <bwoolls at slis.sjsu.edu>
> Cc: calibk12 at lists.sjsu.edu
> Message-ID: <4799E984.D9E4.0019.0 at eusd4kids.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Hate to disagree with you Blanche, but, yes, the one time I got a
> parking ticket taught me a valuable lesson and I've been ultra careful
> ever since. As for pennies and dimes, at my site we charge $20 for a
> lost hardback book, $10 for a lost paperback book, and if the student
> can't afford to pay the fine, we give them the opportunity to work off
> the debt by coming to the library and doing whatever job the librarian
> puts them on- which gets $2 waved off their fines each time they show
> up. The money is used to purchase library books. My opening day speech
> to each class includes a section on how each person is responsible for
> the materials they check out and what happens when they don't take care
> of what they've borrowed.
>
>>>> Blanche Woolls <bwoolls at slis.sjsu.edu> 1/25/2008 1:38 pm >>>
> Unfortunately you don't teach responsibility with charging fines. You
> teach people that if they are willing to pay for something, they don't
>
> have to be responsible. They can just pay.
>
> Does it really make you more responsible if you get a parking ticket?
> Do
> you really learn from this fine? Or, do you just think, "Oh, dear, that
>
> was a problem." What you may do is stop the child from taking materials
>
> from the library. It certainly doesn't make the child love the library
> and
> that's the biggest loss of all.
>
> The library is theirs to share with others and in the sharing they
> learn
> to return things so others can use them. If no one else needs it at the
>
> time, what is the harm.
>
> You would be better to check things out for an entire semester with the
>
> understanding that this longer time meant they had to return anything
> immediatly if someone else needed it, that is real responsibility.
>
> And, whatever do you do with all those pennies and nickles. Do you
> really
> need them? Trust me, most students remember the horrid librarian that
> sat
> on them and didn't let them take books because they had a fine. They
> will
> better remember if you teach them that the library is theirs and that
> has
> a responsibility, to bring back materials in a timely fashion.
>
> Blanche
>
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Owens, Shaunterria wrote:
>
>> I have to say I disagree. One of our jobs is to teach children about
> responsibility and how to navigate the "real" world. In the real world,
> if someone damaged someone else's property or worse, stole someone
> else's property, there would be consequences. If kids are allowed to
> damage or keep books, what leverage do we have to get them to return the
> books? A stern talking to?
>>
>> Shaunterria Owens
>> Library Assistant, Del Rosa Elementary
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: calibk12-bounces at lists.sjsu.edu on behalf of Blanche Woolls
>> Sent: Fri 1/25/2008 11:45 AM
>> To: Ron Black
>> Cc: calibk12 at lists.sjsu.edu
>> Subject: Re: [CALIBK12] fines policy in your library
>>
>> Hello Ron,
>>
>> If you stop and think about it, fines are the number one worst
> possible
>> public relations activity that any school librarian can initiate.
> Please
>> stop charging fines. If it does anything at all, it allows students
> to
>> think that they can keep books indefinitely because they are
> "renting"
>> them.
>>
>> The library belongs to the students, not to the librarian. They are
>> checking out their books and they need to be taught the
> responsibility of
>> using their books in a responsible way. You might want to lengthen
> the
>> length of time for checkout, although in elementary school, the books
> are
>> seldom that long. However, if a student isn't responsible, they need
> to be
>> reminded, but don't do it by withholding their ability to check out
> a
>> book. To do that you are halting their ability to increase their
> reading
>> skills and their ability to use materials for research.
>>
>> Truly, the best way to teach responsibility is to explain to all
> your
>> students that this is a jointly owned part of their education and
> they
>> must "Do unto others" which means bring books back on time. No
> fines.
>>
>> Blanche
>>
>> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Ron Black wrote:
>>
>>> What's the fines policy in your district or at your school site?
>>>
>>> A question has come up in our K-8 district concerning students
> being
>>> allowed
>>> to continue checking out books after they've been fined for lost or
>>> damaged
>>> materials. Up until now, our policy has been if they owe money,
> they
>>> can't
>>> check out until they return the material in good condition or pay
> the
>>> fine for
>>> it.
>>>
>>> However now some have looked at the California Ed Code and
> interpreted
>>> it
>>> as reading that we cannot withhold textbooks OR library books from
> a
>>> student even though he or she has lost one or more and made no
> effort
>>> to pay or work off his or her fine.
>>>
>>> While we can understand every student needing a textbook no matter
>>> what,
>>> some of our library technicians are understandably alarmed that we
> are
>>> soon
>>> going to be expected to allow students to check out library books
> at
>>> all times,
>>> no matter how many books they have lost and not paid for, and never
>>> having
>>> to show any responsibility for damaged or lost materials.
>>>
>>> So, we're checking on what the policies are in other school
> libraries.
>>> Any info you can pass on to us would be appreciated. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Ronald L. Black
>>> rblack at eusd4kids.org
>>> Central School Library
>>> Escondido Union School District
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> CALIBK12 site list
>> CALIBK12 at lists.sjsu.edu
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> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:11:22 EST
> From: LadySnFlwr at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [CALIBK12] GEN RE: fines policy in your library
> To: rblack at eusd4kids.org, Shaunterria.Owens at sbcusd.k12.ca.us,
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> I tell my students they can pay the fine when they get the money, but it
> must be paid by the end of the year. They can work it off if they
> choose. Yes,
> the ed code says we can not deny them library books, but my principal
> said
> that could tell them that they must bring their parents in with them to
> check
> out their next book. I usually just try to get them to work off their
> fines
> without involving their parents. I don't deny students books. I think
> it is
> important to remember what we are in this business to do. What is the
> number
> one priority of a Teacher Librarian? To me, it is to get kids to read.
>
> Leslie Caldarera
> Edison MS
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> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:17:38 -0800 (PST)
> From: Marilyn Frenz <mcfrenz at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [CALIBK12] GEN RE: fines policy in your library
> To: "Owens, Shaunterria" <Shaunterria.Owens at sbcusd.k12.ca.us>, Blanche
> Woolls <bwoolls at slis.sjsu.edu>, Ron Black <rblack at eusd4kids.org>
> Cc: calibk12 at lists.sjsu.edu
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> Greetings:
> Where does it say in the ED Code that fines cannot be
> charged and that books must be checked out to students
> who owe books or fines? If you check Ed Code
> 19910-19911"Any person who maliciously cuts...injures
> any books ...is guilty of a misdemeanor." and "Any
> person who willfully detains any book...is guilty of a
> misdemeanor....and liable for all damages so
> caused....
> We charge fines. It's all about responsibility!
> Marilyn Frenz SAHS Library Media Teacher
> --- "Owens, Shaunterria"
> <Shaunterria.Owens at sbcusd.k12.ca.us> wrote:
>
>> I have to say I disagree. One of our jobs is to
>> teach children about responsibility and how to
>> navigate the "real" world. In the real world, if
>> someone damaged someone else's property or worse,
>> stole someone else's property, there would be
>> consequences. If kids are allowed to damage or keep
>> books, what leverage do we have to get them to
>> return the books? A stern talking to?
>>
>> Shaunterria Owens
>> Library Assistant, Del Rosa Elementary
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: calibk12-bounces at lists.sjsu.edu on behalf of
>> Blanche Woolls
>> Sent: Fri 1/25/2008 11:45 AM
>> To: Ron Black
>> Cc: calibk12 at lists.sjsu.edu
>> Subject: Re: [CALIBK12] fines policy in your library
>>
>> Hello Ron,
>>
>> If you stop and think about it, fines are the number
>> one worst possible
>> public relations activity that any school librarian
>> can initiate. Please
>> stop charging fines. If it does anything at all, it
>> allows students to
>> think that they can keep books indefinitely because
>> they are "renting"
>> them.
>>
>> The library belongs to the students, not to the
>> librarian. They are
>> checking out their books and they need to be taught
>> the responsibility of
>> using their books in a responsible way. You might
>> want to lengthen the
>> length of time for checkout, although in elementary
>> school, the books are
>> seldom that long. However, if a student isn't
>> responsible, they need to be
>> reminded, but don't do it by withholding their
>> ability to check out a
>> book. To do that you are halting their ability to
>> increase their reading
>> skills and their ability to use materials for
>> research.
>>
>> Truly, the best way to teach responsibility is to
>> explain to all your
>> students that this is a jointly owned part of their
>> education and they
>> must "Do unto others" which means bring books back
>> on time. No fines.
>>
>> Blanche
>>
>> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Ron Black wrote:
>>
>> > What's the fines policy in your district or at
>> your school site?
>> >
>> > A question has come up in our K-8 district
>> concerning students being
>> > allowed
>> > to continue checking out books after they've been
>> fined for lost or
>> > damaged
>> > materials. Up until now, our policy has been if
>> they owe money, they
>> > can't
>> > check out until they return the material in good
>> condition or pay the
>> > fine for
>> > it.
>> >
>> > However now some have looked at the California Ed
>> Code and interpreted
>> > it
>> > as reading that we cannot withhold textbooks OR
>> library books from a
>> > student even though he or she has lost one or more
>> and made no effort
>> > to pay or work off his or her fine.
>> >
>> > While we can understand every student needing a
>> textbook no matter
>> > what,
>> > some of our library technicians are understandably
>> alarmed that we are
>> > soon
>> > going to be expected to allow students to check
>> out library books at
>> > all times,
>> > no matter how many books they have lost and not
>> paid for, and never
>> > having
>> > to show any responsibility for damaged or lost
>> materials.
>> >
>> > So, we're checking on what the policies are in
>> other school libraries.
>> > Any info you can pass on to us would be
>> appreciated. Thanks!
>> >
>> > Ronald L. Black
>> > rblack at eusd4kids.org
>> > Central School Library
>> > Escondido Union School District
>> >
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> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:01:59 -0800
> From: "Minerva Samayoa" <MSamayoa at lbusd.k12.ca.us>
> Subject: Re: [CALIBK12] library discipline
> To: burchm at lompoc.k12.ca.us, DeAnn21 at aol.com
> Cc: calibk12 at lists.sjsu.edu
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> During the 40 minutes, Library Teachers are SUPPOSED to teach the
> INFORMATION POWER STANDARDS and correlate them with the Language arts
> standards. Look the standards up on-line. I check-in/out for the first
> 10-15 minutes. Then, I do my lesson. Last, I give the class their
> incentive points. If you need a sample lesson plan, let me know.
>
>
> Minerva S. Samayoa, Library Teacher
> Bret Harte Elementary
> LONG BEACH UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT
> msamayoa at lbusd.k12.ca.us
> 562.428.0333 x283
> To be educated in any true sense of the word, [ a person] must use the
> library, and master the experiences of mankind. -- William T. Harris, 1893
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>
>
>
>>>> <burchm at lompoc.k12.ca.us> 01/25/08 9:34 AM >>>
>
> It is not clear to me what is supposed to happen during this 40 minute
> block.
> Is this supposed to be teaching time? Are you supposed to be sharing
> books in book-
> talks with kids and then having them check out books of their own? It
> seems to me
> that this would be a good time to collaborate with teachers to find out
> how and why
> this block of time was constructed. If students come and it is a
> free-for-all, it will need to
> be scrapped, there is no way in the world that this is a good idea.
> However, if they are
> there for a purpose, then you must discover what that purpose is, and plan
> for it. You
> may need to meet with grade level chairs and the principal to discover
> what the thinking
> is behind this block of time. It is crucial that children be engaged in
> meaningful activity
> throughout the school day. There must be thinking behind this time period
> that is not
> clear to you.
>
> Good luck! I am sure this is very difficult right now, but something
> meaningful can come
> out of discussion.
>
> Mary P. Burch
> Lompoc High School Library
>
> -----calibk12-bounces at lists.sjsu.edu wrote: -----
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> To: dbrown at garces.org, cawthonlibrarian at hotmail.com,
> calibk12 at lists.sjsu.edu
> From: DeAnn21 at aol.com
> Sent by: calibk12-bounces at lists.sjsu.edu
> Date: 01/24/2008 12:02PM
> Subject: Re: [CALIBK12] library discipline
>
>
>
> However, for many of us that are on fixed schedules in which library time
> is a teacher's contractual prep time, saying "no" simply is not an option.
>
>
>
> DeAnn Campbell
> Julius Corsini Elementary School
> Palm Springs Unified School District
>
> Opinions expressed by me are proudly, and unequivocally, my own and are
> not nessarily those held by Palm Springs Unified School District.
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> In a message dated 1/24/2008 10:41:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> dbrown at garces.org writes:
> Hi Mary: In my experience, it is NOT common practice to excuse the
> teachers from the library while you are working with their classes. It is
> the teacher?s job to maintain order?not yours. The library is your
> classroom, and you are there to teach the students library skills and help
> them choose books and read them. It sounds like your principal has you
> acting as a simple baby-sitter. Just say NO!
>
> From: calibk12-bounces at lists.sjsu.edu
> [mailto:calibk12-bounces at lists.sjsu.edu] On Behalf Of Mary Rasmussen
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:57 AM
> To: calibk12 at listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: [CALIBK12] library discipline
>
> Help! I am at a K-6 school that has set blocks of time for each classroom
> to weekly visit the library for 40 minutes. It gives the teachers a free
> period which they naturally cherish. I am struggling to maintain order
> with the fifth and sixth grade classes. The library is small (classroom
> size) with three student computers. With 32 students, it is difficult to
> help one child and still maintain order. I have tried rewards, but at
> that age they would rather socialize than stay quiet for a small prize. I
> have put them out of the library which is outside, but the weather now is
> wet. The teachers say "send them back to class", but when I do the
> teachers are seldom there and they come back or worse wonder around
> campus. Writing them up and sending them to the office seems excessive.
> I love this site and know someone out there has just the answer for me.
> Help!
>
>
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> Vessels School
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> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:21:03 -0800 (PST)
> From: Blanche Woolls <bwoolls at slis.sjsu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [CALIBK12] GEN RE: fines policy in your library
> To: Ron Black <rblack at eusd4kids.org>
> Cc: Shaunterria Owens <Shaunterria.Owens at sbcusd.k12.ca.us>,
> calibk12 at lists.sjsu.edu
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> Do you ever have fine-free days when students can bring back overdue books
> and not pay that fine?
>
> Do all of your students have $20 to pay for a lost book. In my years as a
> school librarian, not all books lost were the fault of the student.
> Sometimes it was a prank, sometimes it was someone else who took it to
> read.
>
> I understand the need to replace lost books, but I am also well aware of
> the really terrible public relations factor it is to charge fines. If you
> don't believe me, ask the students after they have gone on to another
> school. Ask their parents who sometimes won't let their children take
> books because they might have a fine.
>
> I know I will never convince those of you who think that charging fines
> teaches responsibility. After all you do have all that extra money each
> year. But if you have turned even one student off to going to the library
> for life-long learning, you have lost that and much more.
>
> Blanche
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:00:40 -0800
> From: Cathy Rettberg <crettberg at menloschool.org>
> Subject: Re: [CALIBK12] GEN RE: fines policy in your library
> To: calibk12 at lists.sjsu.edu
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> I remember looking into this issue myself some years back, when the
> "real world consequences" comment arose. I went to our local public
> library and asked what their fine and checkout policies were. They
> actually have no hard and fast rules because guess what: they want
> people to check out books! No definite limit on how many books can
> be checked out; if someone has a very large number of overdues they
> will probably put a hold on the account but in fact it very rarely
> happens. I used to be in an elementary library and after I did my
> mini-study I told the teachers I wasn't going to stress too much
> about overdues but would emphasize responsibility. Same thing is true
> in my present grades 6-12 library, where pressures from other
> students who need a book that's overdue far outweighs anything I
> could impose. We do send out overdue notices repeatedly, and even tag
> the account with "no more checkout" notices but we rarely enforce our
> own rules, it's more of a reminder to nag the student when he's
> standing in front of us. My only requirement is that the students not
> have any of our library books upon graduation - they have to return
> them or pay. The fact is the teachers are much worse about this than
> the students, and it is much harder to enforce.
>
> Check with your own local libraries and see what their policies are.
> Maybe ours are just really tolerant!
>
> Cathy
> -----------
> Cathy Rettberg, MLIS
> Head Librarian, Menlo School
> Atherton, CA
> crettberg at menloschool.org
>
>
> On Jan 25, 2008, at 2:11 PM, LadySnFlwr at aol.com wrote:
>
>> I tell my students they can pay the fine when they get the money,
>> but it must be paid by the end of the year. They can work it off
>> if they choose. Yes, the ed code says we can not deny them library
>> books, but my principal said that could tell them that they must
>> bring their parents in with them to check out their next book. I
>> usually just try to get them to work off their fines without
>> involving their parents. I don't deny students books. I think it
>> is important to remember what we are in this business to do. What
>> is the number one priority of a Teacher Librarian? To me, it is to
>> get kids to read.
>>
>> Leslie Caldarera
>> Edison MS
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:02:48 +0000
> From: kjhein at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [CALIBK12] GEN RE: fines policy in your library
> To: "Owens, Shaunterria" <Shaunterria.Owens at sbcusd.k12.ca.us>,
> "Blanche Woolls" <bwoolls at slis.sjsu.edu>, "Ron Black"
> <rblack at eusd4kids.org>
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> I wasn't going to weigh in on this, but I have one piece of factual
> information that I feel is necessary and a suggestion that I think is
> unique for handling fines. Sorry it's so long but I have chewed over this
> topic a lot.
>
> Fact: There is a big difference between charging a fine for overdue books
> (returned after their due date) and a lost or damaged book. Ed Code
> specifies that lost or damaged materials, whether gym clothes, textbooks,
> or library books, are the financial responsibility of the student. They
> must pay for them or their records can be held. (wish I could quote the
> section and number but that is somewhere else in my files). Charging
> overdue fines is left up to district policy. Our district seems to allow
> whatever policy the individual schools set up.
>
> Suggestion: I do charge overdue fines - 10 cents/day, maximum $5.00. The
> money goes back into my general fund for book purchasing. However, I am
> extremely flexible. If I notice as the book comes in that it is less than
> 50 cents, I waive it. When we print overdue notices, we throw out all the
> ones under 50 cents. And here's what I think is unique: starting with the
> holiday season, I accept cans of food in place of an overdue fine (not
> lost books, though, as those are public property and must be replaced/paid
> for). I actually keep this up for the rest of the year and donate the food
> to the community food bank.
>
> Students are not allowed to check out more books if they have a fine or
> overdue. They are also denied tickets to dances by the treasurer. Not
> graduation, though. All fines are deleted before the list goes in for
> holding diplomas.
>
> If the teacher puts in a good word, I don't deny the student. We try to
> arrange something they can do for the library that will "pay the fine". In
> 15 years of working in 2 different districts and 3 different schools
> (middle and high), I have never had anyone complain. What I have had is
> compliments for showing the students that they need to step up to the
> plate and show responsibility or "pay" the consequences. And my
> circulation numbers have always been high.
>
> I understand Blanche's point of view. But overdue books with no
> consequences become lost books and then the student is really stuck for a
> whole lot more money and the library has a lot more work to do to replace
> them.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> Kit Hein, Librarian
> College Park High School
> Pleasant Hill
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Owens, Shaunterria" <Shaunterria.Owens at sbcusd.k12.ca.us>
>
>> I have to say I disagree. One of our jobs is to teach children about
>> responsibility and how to navigate the "real" world. In the real world,
>> if
>> someone damaged someone else's property or worse, stole someone else's
>> property,
>> there would be consequences. If kids are allowed to damage or keep books,
>> what
>> leverage do we have to get them to return the books? A stern talking to?
>>
>> Shaunterria Owens
>> Library Assistant, Del Rosa Elementary
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: calibk12-bounces at lists.sjsu.edu on behalf of Blanche Woolls
>> Sent: Fri 1/25/2008 11:45 AM
>> To: Ron Black
>> Cc: calibk12 at lists.sjsu.edu
>> Subject: Re: [CALIBK12] fines policy in your library
>>
>> Hello Ron,
>>
>> If you stop and think about it, fines are the number one worst possible
>> public relations activity that any school librarian can initiate. Please
>> stop charging fines. If it does anything at all, it allows students to
>> think that they can keep books indefinitely because they are "renting"
>> them.
>>
>> The library belongs to the students, not to the librarian. They are
>> checking out their books and they need to be taught the responsibility of
>> using their books in a responsible way. You might want to lengthen the
>> length of time for checkout, although in elementary school, the books are
>> seldom that long. However, if a student isn't responsible, they need to
>> be
>> reminded, but don't do it by withholding their ability to check out a
>> book. To do that you are halting their ability to increase their reading
>> skills and their ability to use materials for research.
>>
>> Truly, the best way to teach responsibility is to explain to all your
>> students that this is a jointly owned part of their education and they
>> must "Do unto others" which means bring books back on time. No fines.
>>
>> Blanche
>>
>> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Ron Black wrote:
>>
>> > What's the fines policy in your district or at your school site?
>> >
>> > A question has come up in our K-8 district concerning students being
>> > allowed
>> > to continue checking out books after they've been fined for lost or
>> > damaged
>> > materials. Up until now, our policy has been if they owe money, they
>> > can't
>> > check out until they return the material in good condition or pay the
>> > fine for
>> > it.
>> >
>> > However now some have looked at the California Ed Code and interpreted
>> > it
>> > as reading that we cannot withhold textbooks OR library books from a
>> > student even though he or she has lost one or more and made no effort
>> > to pay or work off his or her fine.
>> >
>> > While we can understand every student needing a textbook no matter
>> > what,
>> > some of our library technicians are understandably alarmed that we are
>> > soon
>> > going to be expected to allow students to check out library books at
>> > all times,
>> > no matter how many books they have lost and not paid for, and never
>> > having
>> > to show any responsibility for damaged or lost materials.
>> >
>> > So, we're checking on what the policies are in other school libraries.
>> > Any info you can pass on to us would be appreciated. Thanks!
>> >
>> > Ronald L. Black
>> > rblack at eusd4kids.org
>> > Central School Library
>> > Escondido Union School District
>> >
>>
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